I loved the original GRAIL gloves and had 2 pair and the pads never moved. Years of great use!
I later bought 2 or 3 pair of the short fingered turquoise gloves because I thought I got a lemon pair because the pad twisted all up making it unusable. I bought others but they all went with a flip in the pad and I finally cut them open, flattened the pad and sewed it down. It was really hard through two layers of glove material and the pad, DOES ANYONE KNOW if the long fingered gloves are failing the same way or if SPECIALIZED has fixed? Specialized, got answers? Why did you ruin the Grail?